#3 Ed Harvey: NZ Manufacturing and Geographical Expansion

Ed Harvey, founder of Evnex, joins the EV Charging Podcast to share his journey in the electric vehicle (EV) charging industry. From an early passion for sustainability to building one of New Zealand’s most trusted home EV charging brands, Ed discusses the challenges, innovations, and future of smart EV charging in Australia and beyond.

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Key Takeaways from the Conversation:

1. From Farm to Founder – How Ed’s upbringing on a sheep and beef farm shaped his vision for sustainable transport.
2. Early Challenges & First Sale – The struggle of developing a smart EV charger from scratch and getting the first customer.
3. Evnex’s Sustainable Edge – Why Evnex prioritizes sustainable materials and cutting-edge smart charging tech.
4. Expansion into Australia – What it takes to scale a New Zealand-born startup in a competitive market.
5. The Future of Home Charging – How smart chargers will integrate with the grid, renewables, and energy retailers.

Transcript

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salutations friends and welcome to the eveve charging podcast where we take you behind the scenes of the electric
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vehicle charging industry in Australia and all around the world I'm Daniel Carson and I'm Jeff Sykes and we're your
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hosts from Choice your go-to trusted independent advisor for all things clean
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energy in residential commercial and strata
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buildings so today we've got a great episode for you we spoke with Ed Harvey who is the founder of evex a new
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zealand-based manufacturer of EV Chargers interestingly we've just
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published a review of the evex charger on our YouTube channel so it was great
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to speak to Ed with some firsthand exper experience Ed was a lovely guy to speak
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with and we really hope you enjoyed this chat we had with Ed we are joined today by Ed Harvey the
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founder of evex who's come all the way over from New Zealand to join us here in Melbourne uh Ed thanks for coming all
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right thanks for having me so some people will in Australia will know Evan X as a brand I think for people in New
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Zealand especially if they're driving EV evex is incredibly well known across the country there but we might go right back
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to the very beginning before we talk about evex itself and and find out where the journey started for you sure yeah so
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I well first of all I grew up on a sheep and beef Farm High Country Farm in mbor in New Zealand which is the top of the
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South Island um and I think look my um you know parents I guess were always s
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reasonably environmentally minded and you know that was kind of a great sort of foundation for me to start learning
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about sustainability and that and I think also um we had some pretty big droughts um in melb kind of when I was
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sort of in my younger years and I think it really gave me an appreciation for how Alliant we are on the natural
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environment um and that was yeah I think that was a quite a um an important
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experience for me and then I I went and studied Electronics engineering at Canterbury University in Crossing and
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for my final year project I um decided to convert my Honda Accord to Electric
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um for some reason I would been i' been interested in electric cars since I was very young probably since I was about 9
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or 10 wow I'd wanted to make an electric I've got no idea why but uh it was a something I'd always wanted to do and
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then so my Honda record started burning quite a bit of oil and uh that was kind
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of just in my last year of University and I thought I will maybe this is the opportunity so I um I pulled the engine
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out of it um put an electric motor and some some batteries in and and the way we went it would have been about
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2011 201 12 I think yeah so back then what what were the resources that you
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were using to to do do that yourself so the technology was obviously not not
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what it is today so I used a DC series motor um and we used it was there were
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lithium phosphate batteries it was a 20 kW pack um and also had some help from
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the university the mechanical engineering department and a few other guys that sort of helped me with some of the mechanical engineering work so I
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studied Electronics engineering so that was kind of my specialization but converting car to Electric is almost
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more of a mechanical engineering project than electrical cuz you're kind of buying of the um you know I didn't
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design the motor control to myself that was kind of off the shelf um yeah and did you drive that around town and I did
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yeah yeah it was it was pretty cool back then because it was um not a lot of people had been an electric car back back in those days so it was probably
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um oh it would have been you know a couple hundred n and lifs um I reckon around that time um and so yeah uh for a
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lot of people it was the first time that they'd been electric car and it was yeah it was a cool experience what was the range
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uh about 100K so it was probably similar and and you similar to a generation one n and Le um yeah well uh solar Choice
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was lucky enough to have one of the first EVS in Australia which was a a mitsubish oh yeah I remember
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them not not what you think of when you think of an electric vehicle these days it's more of a a glorified golf car to
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be honest but it had a range of about 150 K when when I picked up use of this
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in 2018 it had about 100 995 to 100ks left on it so we we sure come a long way
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we sure have yeah yeah with that in mind back at University it's probably not a big surprise that you ended up starting
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an EV charging company yeah well look I was actually thinking about starting a
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company with so there was another guy in Christ Church that helped me convert my car to Electric he was right into it and
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he um he was actually sort of importing some of the gear the the motors the controllers of batteries from the US and
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and China and and we almost went into business together sort of starting EV conversion business um and I ended up
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sort of deciding kind of he he sort of ended up going off on his own a bit with that and um I thought it was probably
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going to be a pretty Niche thing um much harder scale it is there always be a few people that want to convert a vehicle
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that's sort of special to them or has some kind of nostalgic value but um probably not too many Honda Accords I
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don't think are going to be converted to Electric so I wanted to get back into the industry one way the other I was
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interested in Renewables electric cars obviously and I sort of thought that um designing an EV charger would be you
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know something that was sort of accessible not a not a low barrier entry but a relatively low barrier uh and also i' sort of found it
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challenging to find a a well-priced charger for my car as well um after I
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after I'd built it so that was sort of the where it all came about yeah and did you have a middle step there between
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design converting your own Honda and then starting evex you were working with Dynamic controls for a while I did
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that's right yeah so I worked as a hardware engineer at Dynamic controls for about 3 years after I graduated um
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and that was great from you I learned a lot from there's some really smart people there um really great engineering
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team that I worked on and and that was kind of um how I learned about a lot of the um you know designing uh electronic
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circuit boards um getting them ready for manufacturing um and and made some of the networks there that I kind of you
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know used to to grow the business and and uh since then quite a number of people from Dynamic controls have kind of joined over the last couple years
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which has been cool as well so for the listeners I think it'd be interesting to paint us a picture of what day one looks
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like he probably didn't have the big manufacturing facility you've got today was it you in your in your
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bedroom tinkering away it really was yeah so look it didn't start I'll be
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honest and say that it didn't start with a really strong commercial Foundation I had a engineering background and so
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quite naively I probably thought that um it was going to be up and running and profitable a bit sooner than was um and
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so I was really you know designing I was looking at kind of Open Source designs on the internet and sort of building prototypes uh and yeah it was I was
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obviously still working for for you know the first you know year or so and so I wasn't wasn't really sure if it was
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something that was going to go anywhere and I ended up kind of resigning from my job because I felt like I wasn't really
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giving it Mo um and I kind of you know when you sort of start getting passionate about something else I thought right well either I need to kind
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of really go for this evx thing or or maybe try something different so I was in the for a position that I could kind
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of move back to my U parents Farm back up in mbor um and kind of did a bit of
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work on the farm while I was sort of doing a bit of work on innx as well so earned a little bit of money there and kind of um paid my keep right and um and
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yeah so set up a bit of a kind of a lab in my parents Lounge in the spare room and that was kind of where I first
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developed the first kind of circuit boards the um you know I wrote all kind of the first you know firmware that that
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ran the charges and the cloud software as well so I kind of had a full basically a full system um the first
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designs were built using a particle what was called a particle microcontroller that sort of had it was like a system on
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chip almost that had like the Wi-Fi and the networking and and and that was um how I designed the first prototype um
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and then yeah um I almost kind of gave up well many times and um almost sort of
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gave up because I sort of needed to earn some money and I was I wasn't kind of um quite sure if I was going to be able to
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sort of scale it up and so started applying for some jobs and and kind of almost got a job um up in ockland and
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then they restructured um just a couple of days kind of almost before I sort of signed the contract okay maybe blessing
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in disguise yeah well that's that's right so um and then I thought oh well look I I'll give this sort of one more shot so I moved back to Christ Church
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and actually was lucky enough to kind of get into a business accelerator so vone
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ran a really great business accelerator in Christ Church it's unfortunately it's not there anymore it was called vone Zone and I actually had a few friends
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that were in the accelerator and um they had some spare space there so I didn't officially get into the program but they
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said hey you can come along and kind of um work from the space and there were other people you know doing similar startups and things like that there so I
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learned a lot through osmosis being in that space sure and then um meeting the
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kind of organizers of the the program I ended up actually officially getting into the accelerator uh the year after
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and we got some sort of seed funding through that non-dilutive seed funding um and also some funding from a
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sustainable Grant and church as well and and that was really what gave us or gave me kind of the ability to bring the
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first person on board right um and look it was very you know first probably couple of years actually we were you
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know I was I didn't take anything out of the business obiously and then it was about probably $300 a week I think I paid myself and the other couple of guys
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so it was it was tough times um for the first few years um but we um yeah just
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sort of and then we raised our first uh round of Angel investment which I think was about $300,000 New Zealand dos um
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was sort of our first kind of you know decent chunk of money mhm and to give any budding entrepreneurs um you know a
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bit of a reality check how long are we talking from your lab in the parents living room through to first sale of an
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EV charger first sale or probably it would have been 3 years I would say yeah yeah
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um yeah it is it's incredibly difficult it wasn't yeah it's been an incredibly difficult journey and I think you have
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to pick something that you're really really passionate about um when I look back at it over the last couple of years
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I do think you know I sort of wonder how we've how we've kind of done it and and keep going but I think if if you pick
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something that you really love and there's there's a purpose behind it and for me you know the sustainability side
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of things is is is a big driver for me um that really does help for those days when you sort of think I'm not sure if I
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can kind of keep pushing yeah yeah and you know we can see when we look at you
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know Jeff and I we working in this industry we see all sorts of EV charges and websites companies and you can tell
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looking at their next website but that that that passion for sustainability still runs through the blood of the company you with materials that you use
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with The Branding and marketing that is that something that you set up from the beginning it was important to maintain as part of the brand identity absolutely
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yeah look we've we've we've tried to drive that thinking through into all of
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the different stages of the business um and a lot of different functions so we don't use any plastic packaging um it's
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all kind of cardboard Packaging uh the enclosure that we build our charges in the the plastic is is comes
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from a what's called a bioc circular plastic so a lot of that the kind of actual sort of plastic virgin material
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comes from kind of like waste Timber Products waste oil and things like that and you know we think very carefully
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about a lot of the different decisions we make around how we ship and things like that because we want to be um we
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well we need to be you know leading leading the sort of the thinking around this and making sure that we're not you know shipping products out and poyin or
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something like that well I think that's that's something that with the emergence of a lot of sort of Cheaper brands that
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are that are manufactured out of China there probably not considerations that are top of mine for some of those
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companies it's more how do we get to a you know really compelling price point and that's probably some of the first
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things that you sacrifice yeah yeah that is yeah yeah so far in the growth of the company has that play been worthwhile
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you know you could potentially make a cheaper charger by using less sustainable materials but that's not not
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the what you set out to do yeah we're never going to be the cheapest in the market um and LU you can't do that being
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a New Zealand manufactured product anyway um I think there's a real opportunity to um to build a leading
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brand in home charging and that's really what we're trying to do that's why we're very focused on home charging um what
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we're seeing around the world at the moment is is actually a bit of consolidation in the AC charging Market or actually DC as well so it's a it's a
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bit of a tough time there's been a lot of investment into charging um and some companies failing recently unfortunately
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um some bankruptcies and you know I think one of the one of the things we are seeing and going to see more of is
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is more niching down into a real kind of Channel specializations uh and so for us we just think there's a massive
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opportunity in home charging 85% plus of charging is going to be done at home um
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and if we can really get that right um we think there's going to be a massive opportunity there you know New Zealand Australia potentially further abroad um
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and look in terms of you know the marketing and the um the brand it's helping people to understand what smart
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charging is and the value of it a lot of people don't really understand how the emissions changes in in the Grid or the
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emissions profile in the grid changes over a 24-hour period uh in Australia obviously that's really quite pronounced
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um it can be incredibly clean at one point of the day um and you know South Australia might be generating a whole
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bunch of wind and then at a different time of the day it's largely cold right so there is actually a real benefit to
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having these smarter technologies that can adjust their behavior um and so that's that's a big you know part of it
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for us is is trying to really tell that story and try and educate in a in an accessible way for the consumer without
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too much jargon I've recently had a evex charger installed in my garage great and
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full disclosure to the listeners I am uh I was born in ockland so I'm partial to the evex brands but uh yeah it was
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installed by a friendly electrician who uh got called away partway through the
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installation so I ended up doing the commissioning myself but I was actually able to
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commission it in less than 5 minutes and partly that came down to just the app
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was um you know incredibly easy to use and the the fact that I think one of the
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point of difference of the fex is it has the inbuilt 4G connection and um the my
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garage unfortunately is is a little Out Of Reach of my Wi-Fi so that would have
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I'm not sure how I would probably would have had to put a repeater in or run along ethernet cable um so that just
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made life simple and um I think normally customers would get a warmer Handover
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with the electrician completing the job maybe giving them a bit of a demo but it
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it really didn't feel necessary is that something that you've worked on to make that process quite simple as well yeah
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it is I'm I'm I'm glad you had that experience I was a bit worried about what you were going to say there for a minute um no it is and look we're not
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you know we're certainly not perfect yet we've got way to go and there's a lot of things that we want to improve on but yes it's um when you can be really when
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you decide to Niche down and really focus on winning in a channel you can just put so much more attention right
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into these small things um and as we start scaling into be you know really a winning brand you do have to pay
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attention to the small things because that's what people notice um so yeah all of our charges have got um built-in cell
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connection which is you know free we we' found that to be a really important or really you know useful feature so that
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we can always provide that top 10 support to our installers so if somebody's out there installing a product um and like maybe something uh
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if they got a question or you know something and the commissioning process hasn't gone quite right they can just call us um and one of our technical
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support agents has full kind of visibility U of the messages that are coming backwards and forwards from that charger um and installers love that
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right because that just means they can kind of get out and get on to the next job um and that's not the case with the
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vast majority of the other products on the market that um the sort of local presence of the local support agents
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just don't have that visibility um and obviously that extends to the you know the customer can kind of have have
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visibility of that data as well through the yeah yeah cool um so something else
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obviously that's come out in the news is that evex has secured a partnership with postar you well done on that it's a big
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partnership obviously postar being a you know very high quality EV manufacturer
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how did this Norwegian company end up partnering with a you know kiwi uh
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manufacturer yeah sure well we actually partnered with Posta firstly in New Zealand right um and more recently in
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Australia they're a great brand for us to be partnered with because you know I think we're really aligned um on our
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sort of you know I guess our our thoughts around you know views around sustainability um reducing waste
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thinking about different ways to design and manufacture products um and I think you know just in terms of our sort of
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minimalist brand Aesthetics um it's a really good match there as well postar decided to work with us um because we do
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provide a really great tkey solution so we're not just um providing the hardware but we provide you know the apps
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obviously you know software as well in installation services right across New Zealand in Australia and is that is that
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a an Avenue that you'll try to continue going down I mean in New Zealand it's probably a bit easier to to form those Partnerships with oems whereas Australia
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it's a much more competitive space and you don't have that home turf Advantage yeah it is it is more difficult there's
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more competition um but again you know that's where're really specializing in home charging is um you know I think
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it's seen as a real feather in our cap because we can come and say that look this is this is where we're putting all
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of our resource um and we're going to be there as a partner to look after you um and we're not going to be kind of over
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here doing something in kind of public charging or installing you know DC rapid charges or something like that um and so
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that's I think that's really helped with some of these uh Partnerships that they know know where our focus is and we're not trying to be all things to all
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people so earlier this year there are some um some news headlines that uh
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secured some funding some VC funding that presumably coincided with your expansion into Australia yes how how did
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you go about that that move and how's it played out so far yeah good so um yes so
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look we got some some private Equity funding through um a firm called adum Capital based up in Sydney and look
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that's been you know really uh really useful for us to you know basically you know get our Roots um put our Roots down
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in Australia invest in building a team over here uh and kind of giving us the confidence to really take on the
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Australian Market market so that's been um that's been going really well they're a great you know supportive team and um
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yeah useful kind of being based up in Sydney as well and we've got some really good networks as well you know there're you know through a you know being a
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professional firm uh they made a range of introductions to us which have been uh really useful so you know it's not
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just about the money yeah mhm yeah also the connections and so tell us a little bit about the differences that you've
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observed so far between the Kiwi market and the Aussie Market yeah look New
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Zealand was was great Market initially for electric vehicles we had a lot of Japanese Imports which austral which is
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something that Australia didn't have so much um so a lot of the Ness and leafs uh came into New Zealand and and the
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kind of the early you know from probably what 2011 2012 um and it's so yeah so we had some
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quite High kind of market share we also hit some really good government incentives um up until the end of last
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year so we had about $75,000 um rebate on on on a new
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electric vehicle I think it was about a $35,000 on a secondhand electric vehicle uh nearly imported and so that really
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got our Market kind of cranking and and we were up at the sort of the 15 sort of% Biv market share and and up until I
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think in December it was about kind of 20% 27 sales that is of sort of that's
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new and used um all vehicles coming to New Zealand new and used it was about 20% Biv okay um and and part of that was
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this kind of last sugar rush because people knew that the subsidy was being discontinued uh in January in January
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this year so we did sort of see this huge Peak um and that but that's um the removal of that government support and
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also actually the addition of Road user charges in New Zealand um for electric vehicles so before January of this year
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uh electric vehicles didn't have to pay Road user uh tax um so it was actually um it was a very supportive um
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environment for EVS up until January but kind of those two things changed so the subsidia was removed and the and the
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road taxes came back on and that really slowed the market down so we dropped down into I think it would have been
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about sort of just over sort of 2% 2 to 3% Market sh and it's sort of been building slowly ever since then but it
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is I think last month it was about kind of 5.5% or so Biv market share so this is pure bivs not not plugins we we
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mainly talking in kind of pure bivs um but it's great to see that even in a tough economy there's you know a lot of
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cost of living challenges in New Zealand as well at the moment obviously so tough economy um essentially no government
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support we're seeing that basically month-on-month growth now um which is very organic uh and EV and B
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registration so we sort of feel like this is it now it's kind of it's growing and it's not going to stop um there's no
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kind of not having any of this sort of government intervention anymore means it's it's it's going to be sustainable
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growth and it is exciting to see that grow every month um in Australia it's obviously the it's it's uh it's been
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what sort of seven or eight% I think be market share over the last couple of months it's probably uh stabilized a
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little bit or sort of slowed down a little bit um but it's it's still a you know still a really great market for us
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to be exposed to yeah and it's important to to remember those of us in the industry we probably look at things on a
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micro scale um but people sometimes the average consumer they they get to zoom
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in because the news Zooms in for them but in reality if you zoom out the the trend shows us that the market is
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growing it might not be growing at the same speed that it was 3 or 6 months ago or 12 months ago but more people are
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buying EVs and next year even more again are going to be buying yeah absolutely and look what I think is really exciting
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is that we are very close now well essentially we are there already in some respects to price parity and I think
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we're going to get a lot of competition with Chinese manufacturers coming in uh Australia is a very attractive low
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tariff environment for Chinese vehicle manufacturers to to sell into and by all
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accounts what we're hearing is there are some very very good vehicles being made in China now um I think it's going to take a while for Consumer um perceptions
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to change a little bit or to be more accepting of of Chinese vehicles but I think that's absolutely going to happen you know we've obviously got byd uh
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we've got you know jelly coming into Australia very shortly as well so uh and particularly with uh you know um the the
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US environment at the moment there's very high you know tariffs yeah and the competitive pricing is is something that
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that's you know far exceeded people's expectations it just this week that we're recording that the the leap motor
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which is going to be a new brand hitting Australia very very soon they just announced a mediumsized SUV at 45 St
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Point driveway which is like nothing else on the market and you know that's below price par with ice Vehicles yeah
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yeah what what does the next decade look like for evex you know expanding in Australia and and growing fast where's
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next yeah look geograph geographically we kind of haven't really made any decisions yet to to jump outside of New
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Zealand and Australia Australia is a huge market and is really only kind of taking off there's a lot of uh a lot of
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freestanding homes in Australia austral as well which is very well suited for home charging so we are really going to
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be focusing a lot of our efforts on Australia for the foreseeable future that's certainly not to say that we won't go further abroad but our our
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proposition is really strongest when we can be uh managing the installation process um uh in Market as well as we're
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a really a turnkey solution and it's also not for us it's just not about selling boxes it's about that full
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solution the um smart charging value that we can provide we are partnering
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with electricity retailers um we um are sort of fast becoming a kind of an
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aggregator of load as well so we want to be we want to support customers to uh
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basically get paid an incentive for agreeing for their or you know for their charging to be orchestrated that's kind
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of The Next Step um you know it's one thing for somebody to be able to set a schedule uh on their on their charger on
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their app or something like that but as we get more and more Renewables particularly on the Australian grid a
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lot more sold and a lot more wind the variability of generation is going to increase and it's going to become more
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unpredictable and I think the value of these technologies that can shift their um shift their behavior in response to
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how the or when the El the clean electricity is going to be generated the value of those systems is going to increase uh and so there's still a lot
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of work to be done to build the smarts between uh companies like evex that are orchestrating smart charging and for
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example electricity retailers uh the electricity distributors or DNS p as they call them over here so that's a big
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Focus for us is building those those software Integrations um to make that happen and to make it really easy for
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the consumer um to to kind of participate in in those markets and get
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rewarded for for having their charger um you know orchestrated fair enough and uh
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I guess with the expansion into Australia you'll be spending a bit more time over here it doesn't sound like your accents worn off yes but um uh yeah
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how do you plan to sort of stay between the the two countries yeah I'm I'm probably spending about kind of a third to half of my time in
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Sydney at the moment uh which I really enjoy um Sydney is an amazing place and and in super lucky to be able to spend
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spend some time up there and obviously coming down to Melbourne and that so yeah being being a market I think one of
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the things that I have to keep reminding myself and reminding the team back in New Zealand that even Sydney is the size
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of the New Zealand economy or larger right in the population base and so when you when you kind of go back to the New Zealand head office it's very easy to
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sort of fall back into the old kind of New Zealand way of thinking and thinking very New Zealand centrically but the
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market over here and and the money is just a whole another level so it's it's good to be able to come over here and um
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and you know refresh myself with that perspective and and look at the ways that uh the Market's different over here
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as well and how we need to adapt in terms of the way that we talk and in our marketing and our and our product capabilities so um yeah it's been it's
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been a cool part of the role getting to spend some more time over here and uh tell us a little bit about your personal
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life you have uh you juggle work and family life yeah no we're pretty straightforward so I'm single no
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kids so that certainly helps because makes it easier to spend 30 to 50% of your time away from home when when
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you're running a company um like well it's not to say that you can't do it obviously with a family but it certainly
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has made it easier in some ways um to be able to travel lots and and to really dedicate myself to the business I
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obviously don't want to always live my life like that um but it has um yeah it's enabled it to be sort of my my real
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kind of I guess passion and focus for the last couple of years yeah well you heard it here he's an elgible
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Bachelor no certainly as I spend my time traveling around Australia a little bit
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for work it's it it makes it harder and harder the fact that I've got a a
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one-year-old child at home to to to do those trips and um adds a bit more stress onto the the family so um it's
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great that you've got the opportunity to really go all in into into the expansion
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geographically that's right yeah yeah yeah so look I think that's all that we've got time for today Ed thank you so
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much for joining us in the studio here hopefully we hear bigger and better
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things from EV next which I'm sure we will as as you expand across Australia um and all all the best with it and
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until we speak next time thanks je thanks Daniel I've really enjoyed it appreciate [Music]
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